👆lolComment removed from /badeconomics - lowskilled_immigrant - Created on 07/24/18 00:00:42 UTC - permalink
Serves you cunts right. Vote in shit, get your shit on your face.Comment removed from /Economics - speciesunworthy - Created on 07/24/18 00:22:06 UTC - permalink
Nope just a patriot pissed off at economic attacks on my country. I'm actively boycotting US products and travel where feasible. They voted for this so FUCK THEM.Comment removed from /Economics - speciesunworthy - Created on 07/24/18 00:27:56 UTC - permalink
Same here even switched to locally made vodka and beer. Remember, they hate us cuz they ain’t us. Hopefully the next one in office undoes all the shit this one has doneComment removed from /Economics - lord-derricicus - Created on 07/24/18 01:36:14 UTC - permalink
The reason why fiat has failed is largely due to the global elite purchasing bitcoin. Effectively moving the supply curve right and decreasing demand for paper currency.Comment removed from /badeconomics - Augustus_Trollus_III - Created on 07/24/18 01:52:26 UTC - permalink
I honestly couldn’t care less about the plight of some soybean farmers.Comment removed from /Economics - FloatyFish - Created on 07/24/18 02:14:40 UTC - permalink
You're an idiot, good luckComment removed from /Economics - europeanconsumer - Created on 07/24/18 03:08:42 UTC - permalink
Says the dude who posts in t_dComment removed from /Economics - Spy_v_Spy_Freakshow - Created on 07/24/18 03:12:20 UTC - permalink
Yeah, and guess what, they aren't going to just give it back either!Comment removed from /Economics - CarbonLifeForm69 - Created on 07/24/18 03:31:10 UTC - permalink
Geeze, you sound exactly like a Trump voter, dude. Take it easy.Comment removed from /Economics - tktk77 - Created on 07/24/18 03:52:15 UTC - permalink
That’s a pretty shortsighted approach to takeComment removed from /Economics - 255979119 - Created on 07/24/18 04:40:38 UTC - permalink
So essentially.... capitalism vs communism?Comment removed from /AskEconomics - waynerooney501 - Created on 07/24/18 04:59:50 UTC - permalink
Price theory only applies to firms when they face decreasing returns to scale, hence it really doesn't describe many parts of the real economy.Comment removed from /AskEconomics - themountaingoat - Created on 07/24/18 05:04:09 UTC - permalink
Yeh fuck farmers! Who needs food anyways. Fuckin jabroniComment removed from /Economics - czechweasel - Created on 07/24/18 05:20:34 UTC - permalink
You get what you voted for.Comment removed from /Economics - Muny30 - Created on 07/24/18 05:36:58 UTC - permalink
Yup serves these hillbillies right.Comment removed from /Economics - littlecro - Created on 07/24/18 08:08:23 UTC - permalink
At least some poor underage pregnant girls won't be getting abortions...Comment removed from /Economics - cd411 - Created on 07/24/18 11:44:30 UTC - permalink
Trump voters getting exactly what they voted for.Comment removed from /Economics - drobinsondn - Created on 07/24/18 12:09:49 UTC - permalink
So, because they’re farmers they’re all Trump-supporting hillbillies?Comment removed from /Economics - maosaysmiao - Created on 07/24/18 12:17:17 UTC - permalink
I don’t eat soy, therefore I’m not impacted 😀Comment removed from /Economics - FloatyFish - Created on 07/24/18 12:24:26 UTC - permalink
They voted for Trump which means they’re responsible for this. I’m tired of hearing them bitch about their plight when it’s self inflicted.Comment removed from /Economics - FloatyFish - Created on 07/24/18 12:29:07 UTC - permalink
I know, it’s not fair. But since we are all suffering because of what is going on and people’s kids are sitting around in cages, I’m not gonna feel that bad if the South suffers with us. They can bear the burden of their shit decisions.Comment removed from /Economics - littlecro - Created on 07/24/18 13:06:14 UTC - permalink
Maybe I haven't read enough articles, but I'd like to see more and more of these people being adversely affected by the tariffs start to call Trump by name or to express regret in voting for him.Comment removed from /Economics - MasterClown - Created on 07/24/18 13:31:25 UTC - permalink
That's why the Republicans will make sure the US famers don't even notice.Comment removed from /Economics - It-Wanted-A-Username - Created on 07/24/18 13:45:36 UTC - permalink
They're bring back a depression-era program to subsidize the farmers hurt during the trade war. This should hold over the rural republican voters until the midterm or even the presidential election. They'll just use tax dollars to pay for farmers being hurt by the trade war as long as they keep voting republican.
Hey, I'm a 30 year old American!Comment removed from /Economics - pwlocke13 - Created on 07/24/18 13:53:06 UTC - permalink
So their answer is to steal it and redistributeComment removed from /Economics - AFreedomLover - Created on 07/24/18 14:11:15 UTC - permalink
Got any better ideas?Comment removed from /Economics - joehillen - Created on 07/24/18 14:22:47 UTC - permalink
Innovation, hard work, not being a victim, stop the pity party. Stop blaming everyone else.Comment removed from /Economics - AFreedomLover - Created on 07/24/18 14:25:30 UTC - permalink
Taxes aren’t stealing.Comment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 14:38:44 UTC - permalink
Cool storyComment removed from /Economics - shades344 - Created on 07/24/18 14:44:05 UTC - permalink
You are arguing semantics.Comment removed from /Economics - persolb - Created on 07/24/18 14:46:13 UTC - permalink
If I demand your money (for prection, of course), and that is backed by the threat of violence, that's stealing.
You don't want to call taxes stealing, because the entity doing the stealing also writes the law that defines what is legally theft.
(Note: I think taxes for thepublic good and the threat of punishment for failure to pay are both necessary... But let's not try and pretend it's not stealing.)
That’s so silly. You get a return on your investment in the government. Some people get a shittier return than others, sure. But everyone benefits from the programs that taxes provide.Comment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 14:48:43 UTC - permalink
Calling it stealing is silly.
I also get a return on my investment when I pay a protection racket... And every that pays gets the benefitComment removed from /Economics - persolb - Created on 07/24/18 14:52:49 UTC - permalink
It’s so ridiculous to call taxes stealing. We elect officials to represent us, they enact taxation laws, which represent our interests. What are we stealing from ourselves? Silly...Comment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 14:56:10 UTC - permalink
You have a very optimistic view on government.Comment removed from /Economics - persolb - Created on 07/24/18 14:59:30 UTC - permalink
51% of the population votes in people to then take away everything some other subset of the population has. This isn't stealing?
(Note: this has happened in multiple counties, and this article is talking about a WAY waterered down version of this)
Everything? That’s a bit hyperbolic wouldn’t you say?Comment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 15:01:04 UTC - permalink
If people don’t participate in voting is that somehow the other people’s fault?
I understand government is inefficient, I don’t like the way all of it is spent for sure. But that doesn’t make taxes stealing.
Jesus Christ.Comment removed from /Economics - internal69audit - Created on 07/24/18 15:01:42 UTC - permalink
You missed my point. If 51% want to take your shit, they can legally do it. Your vote doesn't help at all.Comment removed from /Economics - persolb - Created on 07/24/18 15:04:15 UTC - permalink
Would you see this different than theft?
Ahh I see what you mean. I see you’ve turned a representative democracy into “stealing other people’s shit”Comment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 15:07:35 UTC - permalink
“Shit” costs money. Government provides services. If you don’t want to live in a state that provides government services there are a few available to move to.
Isn’t that a lot of the right-wing’s arguments? Don’t like how things are done: move.
There are checks and balances for a reason. Nobody’s coming for more than your fair share. You may disagree on what your fair share is, so I suggest voting. It’s never going to be 0, and above 0 isn’t stealing.
This fucking administration...Comment removed from /Economics - telltaleharte - Created on 07/24/18 15:10:12 UTC - permalink
The GOP can't afford to lose that voting bloc; naturally they'll get a bailout.Comment removed from /Economics - dispatch00 - Created on 07/24/18 15:13:38 UTC - permalink
Costing the taxpayers twice!
You can't steal what is rightfully yours.Comment removed from /Economics - MCVIXI - Created on 07/24/18 15:14:34 UTC - permalink
How come nobody and where is the money coming from to fix Trump's screw ups, but try to pay for poor children's lunch all of a sudden Republicans are all up in arms about fiscal responsibilityComment removed from /Economics - jyz002 - Created on 07/24/18 15:16:12 UTC - permalink
☝️let me tell you folks 👐we are going to have the biggest most beautiful deficit 👈you know it, I know it. It’ll be 👌yuuuuge👌Comment removed from /Economics - myweed1esbigger - Created on 07/24/18 15:18:51 UTC - permalink
Hey! Isn't this theComment removed from /Economics - graynymph7459 - Created on 07/24/18 15:20:17 UTC - permalink
that had access to personal computers their entire lives? Fucking shits can't even 1v1 not online 😶😶😶🤣
This fucking entire country.....Comment removed from /Economics - OptimalDouche - Created on 07/24/18 15:20:38 UTC - permalink
Investments are voluntary.Comment removed from /Economics - AFreedomLover - Created on 07/24/18 15:20:55 UTC - permalink
Just bout some Maine lobster for under $5 per pound thanks to Chinese tariffs.Comment removed from /Economics - HuskyPupper - Created on 07/24/18 15:24:12 UTC - permalink
Nice work Trump! I love lobster and don't want those Chinese eating all mine.
You haven’t been paying attention, have you?Comment removed from /Economics - internal69audit - Created on 07/24/18 15:27:14 UTC - permalink
You’re Free to leave the United States of America at anytime you likeComment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 15:27:31 UTC - permalink
Where!!??!!Comment removed from /Economics - captainroyal - Created on 07/24/18 15:29:19 UTC - permalink
It is almost as if he routinely and effortlessly lies.Comment removed from /Economics - ChocolateSunrise - Created on 07/24/18 15:29:23 UTC - permalink
Shouldn't we have the revenue from the tariffs to use for things like this?Comment removed from /Economics - PigSlam - Created on 07/24/18 15:33:19 UTC - permalink
Comment removed from /Economics - mhornberger - Created on 07/24/18 15:33:55 UTC - permalinkand how that is simply not what was intended by founding fathers/constitution. Tyranny of the minority is worse than tyranny of the majority...Cue routine response that the nation was supposed to be a union of coequal, sovereign states, not a republic where we collectively choose our leaders. So in that model a rural state with 1% of the population of CA would be equal in power to CA. There is no way rural states are going to willingly give up the disproportionate power they have. They're going to take any effort to have their votes count the same as other citizens as them being disenfranchised.
🤦♂️ k. That was dumb.Comment removed from /Economics - AFreedomLover - Created on 07/24/18 15:36:31 UTC - permalink
Lol, sounds pretty voluntary to me.Comment removed from /Economics - Finally_Adult - Created on 07/24/18 15:36:56 UTC - permalink
I just expect every "decision" he makes to have a purely political reason, he's not working for any Americans other than the ones who like him.Comment removed from /Economics - Lukewarm_beans - Created on 07/24/18 15:37:06 UTC - permalink
Maine lobster has been cheap for years because of a glut caused by ocean warming which drove the lobster population north, right into the Maine coast. Science!Comment removed from /Economics - NemWan - Created on 07/24/18 15:37:31 UTC - permalink
Get that logic outta here!Comment removed from /Economics - dispatch00 - Created on 07/24/18 15:38:17 UTC - permalink
So today we’re pro socialism and welfare?Comment removed from /Economics - HighOnGoofballs - Created on 07/24/18 15:38:17 UTC - permalink
Hey man, us American are sorry. Please don't be too spiteful, we don't like the guy either!Comment removed from /Economics - Rugged_Refined - Created on 07/24/18 15:39:14 UTC - permalink
Hyperbole aside the Legislative system is designed to specifically give disproportionate power to states with smaller populations. Tyranny of the majority is a real concern when we think about political balance of power.Comment removed from /Economics - June1994 - Created on 07/24/18 15:40:08 UTC - permalink
Market basket.Comment removed from /Economics - HuskyPupper - Created on 07/24/18 15:42:12 UTC - permalink
Can finally get some big ones too. Got a 2.5 lb lobster. Haven't been able to find those let alone buy them for some time now.
While 5 dollar lobster sounds great and all, it's not really related to the topic.Comment removed from /Economics - Rugged_Refined - Created on 07/24/18 15:42:29 UTC - permalink
Also proof, or it didn't happen..
Damn, only exist in the New England area. We only have $6, 4oz Florida lobster tails here at Kroger in the south east.Comment removed from /Economics - captainroyal - Created on 07/24/18 15:44:00 UTC - permalink
Other industries aren't his core voters. It wouldn't make as much sense for Trump to give them free money.Comment removed from /Economics - Katholikos - Created on 07/24/18 15:46:53 UTC - permalink
You know what's worse than tyranny of the majority? Tyranny of the minority.Comment removed from /Economics - minno - Created on 07/24/18 15:49:43 UTC - permalink
We knowComment removed from /Economics - Deofol7 - Created on 07/24/18 15:50:34 UTC - permalink
1: Promise farmers and coal miners that you are their president and will fight for them.Comment removed from /Economics - palindrome_is_not - Created on 07/24/18 15:51:51 UTC - permalink
2: Start a trade war that directly damages the farmers and coal miners
3: Use tax dollars to subsidize your inability to make any meaningful policy to fulfill your promise to the farmers and coal miners.
4: Get millions of votes from farmers and coal miners.
This is the world we live in.
Sure, but the current issue has more to do with the parts the Constitution left unaddressed rather than vice versa. Also, a tyranny of the minority can be overcome or contained, tyranny of the majority is rather absolute.Comment removed from /Economics - June1994 - Created on 07/24/18 15:53:13 UTC - permalink
I'm 35. My father was a laborer and I'm an engineer. When adjusting for inflation and factoring in his overtime vs me being salaried, he made the same amount of money 30 years ago that I do today.Comment removed from /Economics - Red_bearrr - Created on 07/24/18 15:55:17 UTC - permalink
Hi 35, I'm dad!Comment removed from /Economics - dadjokes_bot - Created on 07/24/18 15:55:18 UTC - permalink
Comment removed from /Economics - KinterVonHurin - Created on 07/24/18 15:55:45 UTC - permalinknd how that is simply not what was intended by founding fathers/constitution.What? That was the exact intention of the founding fathers, that even little states the rest of the country considers backwater would be able to have a say: that's literally the point of the electoral college.
Because they are full of shit.Comment removed from /Economics - Tullay - Created on 07/24/18 15:57:20 UTC - permalink
It's not only that though, the Senate cuts down on the power of Gerrymandering. You can't cut up a state so that it's Senate representation is wildly unlike it's demographic. However the problem with that is then you get crazy things like North Dakota having the same representation as California in the Senate.Comment removed from /Economics - changee_of_ways - Created on 07/24/18 16:00:16 UTC - permalink
I think the real problem is the fact that Democracy is too much work for most people who live in the modern world. "Government of the People" requires The People to do the actual work of governing, and in our case they have totally abandoned their duties.
I have a garden in my backyard, where do I sign up for hand outs?Comment removed from /Economics - fogcity89 - Created on 07/24/18 16:00:48 UTC - permalink
You are equating having your vote count the same as mine as living under a tyranny. There is no system where rural states don't have disproportionate power that wouldn't count as a tyranny to them. Rural states aren't worried about balance of power, rather they're worried about preserving their disproportionate power.Comment removed from /Economics - mhornberger - Created on 07/24/18 16:01:45 UTC - permalink
"Balance" for them is not between the citizens of our country (that they count as 'tyranny') but between states, as if they are sovereign and independent coequal entities. A model under which a state with 1% the population of CA would still have equal sway over the laws of the nation. You didn't rebut anything I said, merely reiterate it.
> You are equating having your vote count the same as mine as living under a tyranny. There is no system where rural states don't have disproportionate power that wouldn't count as a tyranny to them. Rural states aren't worried about balance of power, rather they're worried about preserving their disproportionate power.Comment removed from /Economics - June1994 - Created on 07/24/18 16:10:03 UTC - permalink
Rural states have disproportionate power by design. Which is a good thing. For a long time this country was under the tyranny of the majority, so the concern over minority power is very real. The issue here isn't that minority groups shouldn't be have disproportionate political power, but rather that the majority cannot effectively wield theirs. This is due to technology and lack of campaign finance regulations, not because rural states have too much power.
> "Balance" for them is not between the citizens of our country (that they count as 'tyranny') but between states, as if they are sovereign and independent coequal entities. A model under which a state with 1% the population of CA would still have equal sway over the laws of the nation. You didn't rebut anything I said, merely reiterate it.
I did rebut what you said, you're insinuating that rural states having disproportionate power is a bad thing. It's not, they should fight to keep the current design of the government. That's necessary to prevent large and powerful states from unilaterally dictating the course of the country. That's something that's been in place by design since the inception of this country. You're attributing the current political climate to the wrong cause.
How old are you?Comment removed from /Economics - dronepore - Created on 07/24/18 16:10:50 UTC - permalink
Except the minority has already fought and had the original system changed to preserve their power.Comment removed from /Economics - squashinmonks - Created on 07/24/18 16:21:07 UTC - permalink
The most significant example of the tyranny of the minority is slavery, which took over two centuries to dismantle and still affects us to this day.Comment removed from /Economics - June1994 - Created on 07/24/18 16:26:31 UTC - permalink
The article you linked has less to do with what we are currently discussing and more to do with the concentration of power in the hands of a smaller powerful group of people. That issue applies to all states equally, be they rural or the Californias and Texases of the Union.
I think the key here is that the constitution was written with the 13 colonies in mind. I don't think the founding fathers had any idea that we would end up with 50 states spanning both oceans, so I think we have a far greater disparity than they ever imagined we would.Comment removed from /Economics - Wingzero - Created on 07/24/18 16:26:49 UTC - permalink
This is so the farmers that voted for Trump’s get tough policy get bailed out of their decision with your tax money.Comment removed from /Economics - RestrictedAccount - Created on 07/24/18 16:27:33 UTC - permalink
Can't wait for Republicans to scream about Democrats "buying votes" in the 2018 Mid-terms.Comment removed from /Economics - HTownian25 - Created on 07/24/18 16:32:26 UTC - permalink
I'm much less concerned with what the Founding Fathers than with whether something is practical or not. The Founding Fathers designed an excellent system for their time and the philosophy guiding their design was very forward thinking. I don't think that rural states are in the wrong for trying to push their interests nor do I think that the manner in which they do so is insidious. The same tools after all, are available to all states. I think the far bigger issues are the things that the Founders didn't address. I don't think they realized just how much special interests could affect politics. The political class was fairly small at the time and the political system of the first four Presidents pales in complexity when compared to the late 20th and 21st century.Comment removed from /Economics - June1994 - Created on 07/24/18 16:33:31 UTC - permalink
I think that there are far too few rules concerning how we elect our leaders and far too few rules concerning money in politics.
Haha and the Trump 2nd term presidency is securedComment removed from /Economics - papeold - Created on 07/24/18 16:34:19 UTC - permalink
No, that was the point of the Senate.Comment removed from /Economics - ChornWork2 - Created on 07/24/18 16:36:09 UTC - permalink
The impact slavery had on the electoral college is undeniable -- the south would not accept one-person, one-vote (and obviously wouldn't let blacks vote), and hence the vile 3/5ths compromise and the need for a system other than popular vote for the presidency.
And likewise gerrymandering of the House has become a perversion. Layering the impact on the judicial branch by virtue of the appointment process, and we have minority of population being able to control all the branches of government... that is not what was intended.
Pick up the July 14 edition of the Economist if you can -- link to most the relevant article below if have subscription or otherwise able to access.
Right. “Balance” to them is that 10 square miles of mostly trees, vegetation, and crops should have more say than 10 square miles where a few million actual people reside.Comment removed from /Economics - harbison215 - Created on 07/24/18 16:36:25 UTC - permalink
Honestly, it’s because Democrats have a hard time describing their position.Comment removed from /Economics - TonyzTone - Created on 07/24/18 16:36:52 UTC - permalink
If they pick up the argument that we can’t pay for these things, Republicans will agree and ask to slash government spending across the board. That hurts Democrats politically (weakening public sector union workforce) and electorally (constituents everywhere have services reduced). This is a downward cycle as the country begins to lose faith in government and the idea that “government is the problem” spreads leading to more cuts in the future.
Democrats need to get aggressive and actually play the game by “holding possession.” This means sayin we’d be happy to provide subsidies for hurting farmers, but first you have to pay for X. That could be healthcare, education, infrastructure, or whatever.
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